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Re: Interesting Logic

Rogel — Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:04:34 -0000

$40 million sound like a good business model...
http://gigaom.com/2005/11/16/googles-riya-designs/

Re: Interesting Logic

Tara 'Miss Rogue' Hunt — Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:13:36 -0000

Well, I, for one, am glad you decided to 'sing in the bath' publicly.

Hear hear.

Re: Interesting Logic

Rogel — Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:59:48 -0000

Thanks for your kind comments Tara. Iâ€™m not dismissing motives of people to create for reason other then money. For me money is one, but not the only one, of the ways to exchange value. Ayn Rand wrote in Atlas Shrug about the expression â€œto make moneyâ€ â€“ since the money represent innovation, creation etc. the making of things leading to creation of wealth.
Web 2.0 as a movement has several flows and one of them is the OSS â€œideologyâ€ (not as a practical tactic). If I created something it is mine and I will decide how to use it. I might decide to give it to the world; I might want to charge for it. The people (or the way we the â€œCapitalistsâ€ call it â€“ the marketïŠ ) will make a decision if the value of using what I created worth the exchange. For example â€“ I decided that Taraâ€™s blog worth my time and attention - this is my part in the exchange of values reading what Taraâ€™s created.
The most common method of value exchange is money, and at the end of the day the people that are working for the companies (not organizations â€“ companies) need to pay bill, to buy food, to pay for theater etc. I sow what happened at 2001, when Web 2.0 will not be connected to very simple economical values it will collapse.

That being said I have to admit that what is being created is very powerful. When I wrote this post it was like singing in the bath â€“ something that I will never do in public. The fact that I receive these comments and the tracking information that I saw in Google analytics about how wide was this, and other, post circulation make me impressed.

Re: Interesting Logic

Tara 'Miss Rogue' Hunt — Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:06:54 -0000

Thanks for this...

For the record, I wasn't referencing or discussing anything to do with my employer at all. 'The Movement' is a personal opinion and very personal thing for me - I'm in love with open source and see the cultural implications beyond the business models (which is what I wanted to steer the interviewer beyond - 'cause you and I both know that only a small handful of people are going to make money here, but, I believe, the impact of the tools will live on). I highly doubt my employer (Riya.com) would even approve of my musings in this instance. ;)

What is happening here is a mass struggle between two ideologies with, in my case anyway, the very same goals. History has proven that just the sheer desire to make money off an idea doesn't necessarily mean you will make money off an idea. However, more often than not, passion and the desire to innovate is rewarded. Ask Joshua Schachter if he expected his success (although I don't know how it's paid off yet). Ask Craig Newmark. Ask Stewart Butterfield and Caterina Fake. Sure, they all wanted to make money. Who doesn't? But the big success? It came from a vision. That's all I was saying.

Tara

Re: Interesting Logic

Rogel — Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:53:18 -0000

Web 2.0 is mainly about the ability to make money from implementation of technology. It is mainly a reaction for the crash of the so called Web 1.0 companies. If we learn one thing since 2001 was that a company must generate revenue if it want to survive.
There are some companies that are doing interesting things. Riya.com is doing very interesting things. but when I'm looking at this what is fascinating about Riya.com is the face recognition and not the tags.

Re: Interesting Logic

David Newberger — Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:23:08 -0000

my blog as well because I was trying to figure out if it is a business model or not.